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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2011, 06:57:18 PM »
Quote from the article, nothing else new so I'm not posting the whole thing

"A Heal the World lawyer says someone from the organization had faxed Katherine Jackson's manager the document and it was returned to him signed, and that Katherine Jackson's caregiver told him he saw her sign it."


http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2011/04/katherine_jackson_michael_didn.html

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2011, 07:06:02 PM »
According to my previous post page 5 of katherine's declaration was missing, so really we should be reading today that someone from HTWF has been fired instead of KJ lawyer!

It's going to be interesting if that previous post was accurate because it says the judge rules the HTWF cannot use any of their exhibits.

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2011, 07:17:54 PM »
SOME BITS FROM MJJC

SUMMERY POSTED BY IVY
- Estate sued Melissa Johnson's HTWF for their unauthorized use of Michael's image and likeliness, trademarks and confusing people that it was Michael's 1991 charity.
- When the preparations and initial steps of the trial was going on Melissa Johnson got Katherine and Joe to be on the board of directors and Michael's kids on the youth board. She also revived and merged her HTWF with MJ's HTWF and signed a 10 year deal agreement with Howard Mann.
- Estate filed additional complaint calling the revival and merge fraudulent.
- HTWF and Estate argued about jury trial versus bench trial. It's decided that it will be a bench trial (judge makes the decision).
- The trial is about the start so now every witness is filing their statements, declarations, testimonies. You can find them posted over this thread.
- The issue with Katherine's declaration is that the declaration filed with the court really badmouthing John Branca but Katherine's lawyer Adam Streisand called that declaration a fraud saying that she never said those things. So now we have the issue of what she really said, who changed what, how did this happened in regards to her testimony.

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"the goal is put the family in charge of the estate"
REPLY POSTED BY IVY
I don't see how honestly. The alternative executor mentioned in the trust is "Bank of America". Even if for a minute we assume that they were successful in removing Branca and McClain, how are they going to get around removing Bank of America?

and don't respond with "challenge the will", the 120 days has passed, that will is valid. Yes executors can still be removed for mismanagement but that would mean that still the trust / will be followed and Bank of America would take over.

edited to add: even any and all wills of Michael was invalidated and he died intestate then all of his assets would be divided among his 3 kids. and that would mean Katherine and the charities would no longer be a beneficiary.

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"if the estate wins, what will be the verdict? complete shut down of the fake charity? Or will Johnson still be able to run it so long as she makes it absolutely clear it has nothing to do with MJ? will the kids/katherine still be allowed to be involved?"
REPLY POSTED BY IVY
she can run a charity and Katherine and kids could be a part of it. She cannot claim any relation to Michael though. Estate is also asking for the cancellation of the "Heal the world" trademarks. If they win that request then she'll probably have to rename the charity or close it.

Estate basically wants her trademark registrations cancelled, wants her to stop using Michael's image,name and likeliness and claim connection to him and they want the government records to be corrected showing that Michael's 91 charity isn't revived or merged with hers.

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"so the defence wouldn't let the plaintiff look at their evidence so now they are not allowed to bring out any of it as exhibits? Surely they will lose then, if they cant back anything up"
REPLY POSTED BY IVY
It's a little bit more than that: HTWF was late to turn in their evidence and they gave thousands of pages of documents. They also didn't name of number the documents. Let me give you an example from the exhibit list

this is Estate's exhibit 46 : 1/12/2005 E-mail from Johnson to Raymone K.Bain dated 1/12/05 [Bates stamped HTWF 005203-04]

this is HTWF exhibit 877 : tmr-jackson-3-hl.pdf

As you can see what the HTWF exhibits are unclear and they are not numbered.

Furthermore Estate paid and did the task of Bates Stamping of HTWF's documents ( bates stamp is a numbering system as you can see from the Estate's example. You later on use that number so it's easy for each side to find the document being mentioned in the thousands of pages)

For months they have been wanting HTWF to change their exhibit list - adding definitions of the evidence and using bates-stamp numbers.

When you look to the above posted Katherine Jackson declaration you'll see that there are mentions of exhibits 4.a, 4.b etc. Estate lawyers are saying that no copies of that exhibits were given and they cannot determine what exhibit4.a refers to as the bates numbers etc aren't used.

Simply put Estate is arguing that when HTWF refers to an exhibit they do not know what they are talking about as they aren't using bates numbers and name / definition of the exhibits are lacking.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2011, 07:21:08 PM by moonstreet »

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2011, 07:28:27 PM »
I've read on Rose Speaks that The Bench Trial will begin April 19th @ 8.30.

So I guess with no exhibits they will have to rely on witness testimony, surely Oxman has a conflict of interest, and Bain has a grudge to bear.

 

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2011, 05:16:33 AM »
Update abt the evidence exhibits, from Ivy on MJJC


Judge's order about the defense evidence exhibits

All defense exhibits not previously identified and presented to plaintiffs for the first time on April 13, 2011 are ordered excluded. The Court instructs defense counsel to provide plaintiffs with a finalized list of exhibits (no greater than 200 in number) no later than noon on April 15, 2011.

Translation:

The recent witness statements coming from the defense had exhibits referenced that the Estate hasn't seen at all, those are excluded. Judge limited the possible evidence exhibits to a maximum of 200 and asks the defense to give a final list to the Estate.


http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/110691-Update-MJ-Estate-files-supplement-to-their-complaint-against-Melissa-Johnson-and-HTWF/page14

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2011, 10:11:50 AM »
A NEWS ARTICLE FROM JACKSON SECRET VAULT - THIS SITE HAS BEEN BUSY TRYING TO SWAY PUBLIC OPINION BY ONLY POSTING ENTIRELY BIASED THREADS.

back to News FeedKatherine Jackson IS The Estate
Thursday, April 14, 2011
Los Angeles—The rumor mill has been buzzing over the past two days about Katherine's Jackson rival between the executors of her late son's estate and The Heal The World Foundation<http://www.healtheworldfoundation.org/members/htwf&gt;.

Here's the real story.

Katherine Jackson signed a declaration clearly marking her position behind the Heal The World Foundation<http://www.healtheworldfoundation.org/members/htwf&gt;—a charity coined by Michael Jackson himself, now in an arduous lawsuit against his Estate executors over his posthumous publicity rights. The declaration reiterated a bold claim that executor John
Branca<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Branca#Michael_Jackson&gt;had stolen from Michael in the past and now in the aftermath of his death; a claim Jackson himself has declared publicly in the past on numerous occasions—mostly because, they are true.

Estate in-house council Adam Streisand fired back a PR campaign with a claim the Jackson "categorically denied" signing the declaration and "would never say such things about the man who was solely responsible for resurrecting Michael Jackson's tarnished image."

Meanwhile, the declaration was signed in the presence of witnesses who have since come forward to announce the document's authenticity.

The Estate's ironic <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyVrtzy9-Z4&gt; attempt to discredit Katherine and puppeteer claims of signature
fraud<http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/12/katherine-jackson-michael-estate-executors-declaration-john-branca-mcclain-signatures-forged-fake-signed-fraud-heal-the-world-foundation-lawsuit/&gt;on Jackson's behalf fell flat when Streisand received a letter of
termination from the king of pop's matriarch this morning—in similar fashion to the way Michael fired Branca two decades ago.

The truth is, Katherine Jackson's patience is wearing thin and she beginning to realize that if she does not stand up against the corruption and injustice behind the closed doors of her son's estate, there will be nothing left for Michael's children.

The executors of the Estate have done a good job trying to convince everyone that John Branca—a man Michael Jackson publicly expressed disdain for over the last 20 years—is the good guy while Michael's Jackson's own mother — a woman he has showered with praise and adornment his entire life—does not have her son's best interest at heart. Lest we forget who Michael Jackson left his entire fortune to: His mother, his children and his charity.

In other words, Katherine Jackson *IS* the Estate.

http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com/?page=news&contentId=KatherineJacksonISTheEstate

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2011, 08:22:12 PM »
4/15/2011
Michael Jackson Estate vs. Melissa Johnson: Defendants fights back!
Melissa Johnson's attorney replied on the approved motion regarding the exhibitions. Edgar Pease balmed (you won't guess it) the plaintiffs. He says that John Branca and co. can afford such an expensive legal team, but he is a "solo practicioner" and it was extremly hard for him to come up with the deadlines. It seems that Pease got religions saying that they were preparing the documents in "good faith" and they are "praying the court for deny" on the motion.

The defendants filed a lost of exhibits in a hurry. Most of the items has been listed without any explanation. Others are labelled like "the domain guy's e-mail".

Exhibit 3336:
"Johnson doesn’t sell, but donates the names to Jackson’s charity. Johnson encourages a Leslie in Email to do the same."
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2011/04/michael-jackson-estate-vs-melissa_15.html

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2011, 09:30:15 PM »
FROM IVY ON MJJC

Minor update

As ordered by the court HTWF defense lawyers filed their final 200 evidence exhibits with the court. We can't see the evidence but can read descriptions.

Most of HTWF's evidence is emails between Johnson with Michael's managers, publicists and lawyers.


From descriptions we can see some interesting communications

- Al Malnik : Johnson was sending emails to Malnik 2-3 weeks before Michael's death about trademarks.

Food for thought: Don't you think this is quite interesting given that Malnik wasn't working with Michael for years?

- Michael Amir Williams : There's also several emails listed as being sent to Michael Amir Williams , Michael's assistant at the time of his death. Interestingly there's also an email to Van Alexander asking him to vouch for Melissa to Michael Amir Williams so that he wouldn't think that she's just another fan.

Food for thought : So Michael's own charity's sole director needs introduction?

- Van Alexander : There are emails from Melissa to Van Alexander asking for Michael's help with the cost of domains and asking Michael's active participation with charity.

Food for thought: I thought that Raymone Bain said that Michael wouldn't be responsible for expenses and that Oxman &Raymone Bain said that Michael wouldn't been giving attention to the charity.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13385634

Michael Jackson's Mom, Estate, Clash Over Charity
Michael Jackson's mother and singer's estate clash over foundation and charitable legacy

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
 BY ANTHONY MCCARTNEY AP ENTERTAINMENT WRITER
LOS ANGELES April 15, 2011 (AP)

"Heal the world. Make it a better place for you and for me." So sang Michael Jackson in his mega-selling 1992 anthem for change.

Now the singer's estate and Jackson's mother could use a little healing themselves as they fight each other over the non-profit Heal the World Foundation, which claims it's the successor to the pop star's defunct charity inspired by the song. At stake in the skirmish are trademarks worth millions of dollars and a piece of Jackson's legacy.

The dispute, which is playing out in a federal court in Los Angeles, is the latest example of the sometimes strained relationship between Jackson's family and the estate he left in place that has already earned hundreds of millions of dollars.

But the fight against the new incarnation of the Heal the World Foundation has also raised questions about which causes the singer would want to focus on if he hadn't abandoned his charity to fight off allegations of child sexual abuse.

His mother, Katherine Jackson, left little doubt about where her sentiments lie in a recent court filing: "It is not my desire, nor would it be the desire of my son Michael, to continue this lawsuit against Heal the World Foundation."


Last year, Jackson's mother and father joined Heal the World's board of directors and elected to have their three children added to a youth board. Jackson's mother and his children were prominently featured on a recent "Good Morning America" story that also included footage of Heal the World giving a $10,000 donation to a shelter in Los Angeles.

It was a high-profile plug for an entity that according to tax filings reviewed by The Associated Press has done little fundraising or charitable giving, but has fought to stake its claim to several Jackson-related trademarks and likeness rights that the singer's estate maintains it should own.

The estate did not immediately respond to requests seeking comment about how Katherine Jackson's support for Heal the World is impacting the case or the estate.

The foundation's director, Melissa Johnson, claims the pop singer handed her control of Heal the World through intermediaries in 2005, when he was defending himself against child molestation accusations. Despite never having personally met the singer, Johnson's attorneys claim she has the right to manage the charity, use various trademarks and that the permission now comes from the Jackson family itself.

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2011, 11:55:12 AM »
Still from Ivy

AP Updated this story with some new statements from Katherine's and Estate's lawyers

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Her attorney, Perry R. Sanders Jr., said Friday that Katherine Jackson supports the charity but hopes that a more civil relationship between her and the estate can be restored. Sanders was hired late Thursday after Katherine Jackson's former attorney publicly cast doubts about the authenticity of her filing.

"Bottom line -- I am going to do anything in my power to try to tone down the rhetoric that has happened to date to the extent possible," Sanders said.

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Jackson's estate wrote in a statement to the AP that the new Heal the World Foundation "has no relations to Michael Jackson's charity that touched so many lives before becoming inactive several years before Michael's death."

The estate did not say whether Katherine Jackson's involvement with the charity was costing the estate money, but said the "costs would be far greater if the estate did nothing to protect (Michael Jackson's) name and his trademarks because others would be profiting from intellectual property that rightfully belongs to Michael's children."

"Mrs. Jackson has been told that Ms. Johnson's foundation is Michael's but that is not the truth," Jackson's estate said in a statement. "The estate hopes Mrs. Jackson will eventually understand the true facts and cooperate with the estate executors in selecting worthy charities as Michael would have wished."

The estate accused Mann of trying to secure Jackson copyrights for profit, which it said would deprive Jackson's children of money they are owed.


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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2011, 12:21:00 PM »
I now just believe that KJ wants to get as much money out of the estate before she dies and I think that all the Jacksons are pi**sed that they are not included in the will.  I don't think they care abt clearing the debts or Michael's legacy.  This whole mann/johnson/tabloid pressure is to try to sway fan opinion into forcing the estate to 'play their way.' Sadly this is showing everyone's true colours and it saddens and sickens me, I just hope Michael's influence on the children was strong enough to see them into adulthood but honestly I don't know as young children are so impressionable.  :no:

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2011, 01:38:12 PM »
KJ believes in family. She thinks Michael's money is the Jacksons' money, not the kids'. I bet she thinks when she's gone, the kids will be taken care of by the rest of the family, so there's no danger for them in all this; they'll be fine financially. Yeah right. The kids would be used for $. Like Latoya, or Randy are doing right now. It's no excuse for what she's doing, I just think she's being a complete thoughtless moron, and definitely not the right guardian for the kids.

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2011, 08:32:45 PM »
Update from Ivy

Objections are filed by the both sides. Not surprisingly both sides are arguing that the witnesses from other sides testimonies are hearsay, irrelevant, personal opinion, lack personal knowledge etc.

HTWF Lawyer's filed their Final Brief as well. Their main point is similar to what Melissa Johnson said in her testimony before. They argue that "she acted with authorization granted by Michael through his representatives and with blessing of his beneficiaries Katherine Jackson (and his kids)". They again say that they didn't need a licence because they are the same thing as Michael. They state all their arguments will be supported by Oxman and Bain and Katherine.

Interestingly "Michael intended his family and his kids to continue on with HTWF" is added. I wonder how they come to this conclusion. It's quite a stretch from "Michael gave me his authorization to run HTWF" to "he wanted his kids involved in it". Even if you go with his will he wanted 20% to be given to a charity chosen by a committee, in no place he wants his family and kids be involved in the charity.

and a tidbit: the agreed facts state that Melissa Johnson have not ever spoken with Michael.

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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2011, 10:17:29 AM »
 :popcorn: :pepsi: :popcorn: :pepsi: :popcorn: :pepsi:

something to give you the giggles. Last night on twitter, IVY from MJJC with some other fans and MJVAULT gave us all some entertainment.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
 @MJVault  Do you know anything about PROBATE?

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
 @Ivy_MJJC do you?

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault  Michael sued Vaccaro , Michael set out to close down his websites. How are you going to twist that?

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
 @J4M MJ left 40% to his mom.

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@Ivy_MJJC @MissChiviouss michael fired branca for suspicions of embezzlement.

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@Ivy_MJJC i urge u to take corruption into consideration: http://malagaaunike.wordpress.com/2010/03/27/william-j-wagener-special-message-to-mj-fans/

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault  again do you know anything about PROBATE process? She's getting a COURT designated allowance why blame estate 4 it?

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault sorry but these r unfortunate tweets coming from u probate means debts have to be paid first before giving money to beneficiaries

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault Katherine will get more money once the probate is over. at the meantime she is entitled to an allowance. if it's not enough she can

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault ask for a rise without the need of badmouthing Estate executors. The probate judge can and will do the appropriate thing.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault Yep I DO. I even have a PhD. and it's apparent that you don't.

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
 @Ivy_MJJC  never professed to.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
 @MJVault  then he rehired him. copy of his 2009 hiring is filed with the probate court. educate yourself about public access

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@J4M what's 40% of a reported $300 million? just curious.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault  & I'm still waiting u to explain Michael's lawsuit against Vacarro (and his successor Mann) to me. He was against it

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@MissChiviouss i'll need a more concrete source than that blog. #sorry

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault  how are you going to spin that?

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
 @Ivy_MJJC the judicial systems is not always what it seems . wake up.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault again probate. A Probate judge is overseeing the estate, they are reporting to him every 6 months. stop dreaming.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault see this tweet to me shows that you know nothing about probate and/ or Michael's will and trust. did you even read them?

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@Ivy_MJJC i'll read them it i get thru answering your tweets #hint.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault then stop with your clearly misinformed and factually wrong tweets. I'll make it simple. here's probate 101 :

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault first debts have to be paid, then beneficiaries gets their share. meantime while the debts are being paid they can get an allowance

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault judge determines an allowance by looking to their needs and expenses. if they need a raise they can always go back to the judge

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault & ask more. there's no need to badmouth people or blame them for it. this is a legal process. even a 5th grader can understand it

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault MJ fans aren't idiots & most of us have been around / following Michael for years. we know a lot more than you give us credit for

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault You couldn't convince us with factually wrong information. Answer to your most complaints is simple "ESTATE is in PROBATE".

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault if there's an actual corruption or fraud then take it to court. Sorry but tweeter rants or crying to tabloids won't bring justice

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault and like I said she can go to probate court to ask for a raise. no need to blame or badmouth or accuse estate executors w crime.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault if you haven't read Michael's will and trust until this time then don't bother. such fail. you commented without knowing anything

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@Ivy_MJJC then you should know his mother meant the world to him. so get off her back already.

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@Ivy_MJJC im not ranting. im just replying. im being a model twitter user imo.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault I'm not on her back. I said she can get whatever she needs. She can get a raise if she needs one. Read what I'm saying better.

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@MissChiviouss Mj also said he wanted Branca no where near his business. EVER. that speaks for itself.

MissChiviouss Hollywood Tonight
@MJVault ..Until he rehired him. Try again...this argument has been shut down. Are you done reading court trasncript form 2005?

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@J4M not sure he actually did rehire him...so

J4M J4M
@MJVault well i guess i have to say educate yourself again...look up for the facts cause MJ did rehire him...

J4M J4M
@MJVault like i said educate yourself .... you can read...so google it...

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@Ivy_MJJC she's not getting what she needs and she is crucified in the media for her concerns. and u are indeed on her bk.

MJVault jacksonsecretvault
@J4M can you send me court docs again...surly there are dox to support these facts

MissChiviouss Hollywood Tonight
@MJVault Court Transcript: Tom Mesereau shutting down that Branca embezzlement lie. Pls read http://www.geniusmichaeljackson.com/court/Transcripts/Court%20Transcript%205%2013%202005.txt #EducateYourself

J4M J4M
@MJVault you also have to court transcripts..therefor I take it you will very soon release a public apology to Branca

J4M J4M
@MJVault i and others already sent it to you...read the courttranscript from 2005

MissChiviouss Hollywood Tonight
@MJVault More goodies.. Board Member of Fake HTWF http://new.music.yahoo.com/jacksons/news/randy-jackson-a-wanted-man--12050741

MissChiviouss Hollywood Tonight
@MJVault Is it legal for a man who previously filed for bankruptcy & sued for fraud be on a charity board?



Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault well she wouldn't be frustrated if someone explained her probate process correctly and wasn't in her ear with wrong information

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault honestly the reason general public is attacking her becase Mr. Mann made her look bad She got 9 million dollars, lives in a mansion

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault while her house is being renovated. she gets a new car, staff etc. When you cry more money more money in the public in this economy

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJVault it makes you look greedy. Like I said going to probate judge without going to the media was a WAYYYY better alternative.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
awww @MJVault blocked me. They could't handle the factual , truthful and intelligent information coming from me. Such a happy day for me.

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MJJStreet I put this down as victory as they couldn't handle me and had to hide behind a block :)

Ivy_MJJC Ivy
@MissChiviouss It's victory baby. They had nothing intelligent to say back to me. It's as plain as that.

MissChiviouss Hollywood Tonight
@Ivy_MJJC Awwwww... our resident law interpret.... Just got blocked by Mann & his goddess. **Standing Ovation** #takeabow












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Re: The Truth about Melissa Johnsons Heal The World Foundation
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2011, 10:50:37 AM »
 :clapping:  :clapping: That was brilliant! I am so sick of all this BS coming from JSV, Mann and the Jacksons trying to put pressure on us fans by this guilt trip - if you don't blindly support KJ then you don't love Michael, that IS how they are trying to make us feel.

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