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Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« on: April 28, 2011, 07:46:19 PM »
With all the latest news about the Cirque shows, how does everyone feel?

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Reading all the news from the press conference, just makes me so so sad and and angry, not happy and excited.
I will not be going to the touring show when it eventually arrives in Europe and I most certainly will not be going to the fanfest /permanent show in Vegas.

It makes me so sad and angry that all of this is happening NOW, that it took losing Michael for Cirque to honor him like this. All he wanted was to be accepted and loved. How special it would have been for Michael to be part of this show and permanent exhibition, yet no one cared enough about him when he was here....

Also it feels like the fans who did actually care about him when everyone turned their back on him are being shafted. Its all about America, the American fans, blah blah blah. Ive seen on twitter where people are saying that cos America didnt have Dangerous or History tour, that we should let them have this.. Um excuse me, Michael CHOOSE NOT to tour in America. The world wide fans now have to choose between going to LA to see Michael at Forest Lawn or going to Vegas to see this Cirque show and fanfest.

And whats all this about recreating Neverland??

ugh just makes me heave, all this tributes from those who couldnt be bothered when he was here.


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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2011, 08:11:35 PM »
I understand what you are saying and your frustrations, and although I agree with a lot of your statement  I would still rather have this fan fest than not.  It makes me sad that this didn't happen in his lifetime because he truly did deserve this recognition, the reason it didn't was the fact that no matter what he did the media always brought it back to the allegations and thats what makes me livid, his beauty, talent and pure heart were totally eclipsed.

So I feel that in some small way this kind of tribute brings with it some vindication for Michael, but of course I wish with all my heart that he could be here to witness it.

Whilst I don't mind where any tributes are placed (so long as they exist) I would love to have somewhere I could go in the UK or Europe.  Michael knew how loyal his European fans were, I would like to think thats why he chose London for TII and whilst I think were deserve a perminent tribute, knowing Michael knew is more important to me than anything that could be re-created.

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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2011, 08:21:36 PM »
I agree, the fan community which supported him the most, and which he in turn gave so much to are being ignored. Michael choose NOT to tour in America, he choose London for the TII concerts.

I dont support ANY tribute EXCEPT THRILLER LIVE cos thats the only one which was created before June 09 and which Michael knew about. He needed the love and acceptness when he was here, he needed to see the world cared about him, but it took losing him for the world to honor him and I will never forgive that. Anything now is just cashing in on his name.


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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2011, 08:41:06 PM »
it took losing him for the world to honor him

Of course. Everyone is an MJ fan now all the sudden. Everyone remembers listening to his songs, the moonwalks, the impact he has had on their lives; dozens of "celebrities" suddenly remember what good "friends" they were. It's always like that.
Of course it pisses me off. Where were they 6 years ago?

I would not go to the Cirque shows even if they came to the city I live in. Same as I didnt see TII. But I agree with you, keeping the shows in the US is unfair, especially after announcing a world tour. Michael is not Céline Dion. 
Now, to me, there's no choice to make between F.L and a show "about" Michael.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2011, 09:14:22 PM »
I would go to the show because I fear that without any tributes Michael's memory could also die, to me it keeps a certain part of him alive.  Don't get me wrong it breaks my heart that it took him to die for the world to celebrate him.

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2011, 09:42:02 PM »
As for fans, there are two sorts of tributes, IMO. The honest ones, and the milk-the-cash-cow ones. The first, I dont mind, as long as it's sincere; I will never go, but I'm also glad they exist, b/c otherwise, as you said, it'd be like Michael is already forgotten. That's what it feels like here actually.
Those I feel fake, like I said before, they make me mad. Michael was a weirdo 2 years ago for a lot of those people who call him a genius now with crocodile tears.

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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2011, 10:11:08 PM »
Im with you there  :moony:  I am so angered by such hypocrisy,  but have been criticised for this and told I should be happy that the world now realises Michael's brilliance
On June 26 Michael  went from being Wa**o to a Legend in the eyes of the media that had ridiculed him  for so many years, Ive struggled to listen to work colleagues gushing to me how brilliant Michael was, the same people who had previoulsy referred to Michael as a paed***ile, and made comments such as "i liked him when he was black".  Now all of a sudden they adore him and cry watching him on you tube, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!  I cant bear to hear them say his name  how f****in dare they  :pullhair:
And today in front of Buckingham Palace the crowd celebrated to Dont Stop Til You Get Enough, would that have happened had they married in 2005 I dont think so. 
I may be coming across as being quite bitter here, but that's because I AM!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2011, 12:17:57 AM »
For me this is all about Michael's memory.

I understand the anger because honestly I feel it too, but I would rather stomach that and Michael was celebrated, even if it meant hypocricy, because the alternative is that he is left labelled a weirdo, freak or worst forever more. 

I don't exactly take any comfort from the fact that the world now realises him but I do take an awful lot of satisfaction from the fact that they can't ignore his brilliance anymore.  They have to eat their words and I hope they are choking on them.


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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2011, 10:26:44 AM »
 :huggle: tink its ok, you  wont be criticized here and dont worry I for one share your bitterness and anger


 :lasttear: I understand your view of it being about Michaels memory, but part of me remembers those dark days of Santa Maria, when no one cared about Michaels music and his contributions to the music industry. The fan community became stronger because there was so much hatred towards Michael. So many became fans during that time, which to me says so much, that during the darkest times, the magic of Michael still touched people, that many had the strength to see through the crap and understand Michael.

All this talk of losing Michaels memory , of keeping his legacy alive to me is utter rubbish. So what if the general public dont like Michael, so what if there are trash stories about him in the papers, so what if his music is not played on the radio, so what if posthumous albums dont sell. Michael didnt care, he know the fan community was as strong as ever and was there for him no matter what.

Its only since losing him that all this has become important. Up till the London press conference, the general public thought Michael had disappeared and that he had no fans. All that happened was that the fan community went underground, and continued to grow. Those who truly cared about Michael found him, those who truly cared made the effort.

All this excitement over the fanfest in Vegas..um hello an American Fanclub  MJSUNIFC have been organizing a fan convention in VEGAS for the last 6 years, YET so many American Fans  complain that there is nothing in America!!

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2011, 11:22:44 AM »
This is why I like it here we can have a healthy discussion and even disagree without anyone feeling criticized.

And I'm afraid personally I do have to disagree, it is important to me that Michael is remembered (in the right way) for the next generation, not only for his children but for mine also.  My eldest (22) had been teased when she was in school for liking Michael and prior to '09 my now eleven yr old was just about the only child in her class who knew who Michael was.  There are still those who are negative but they are much quieter, silenced really by the outpouring of support for Michael, and if half that support is fickle or fake then so be it, it's played it's part in finally changing how Michael is perceived.  When I get annoyed about those people then I just think that inside they know the truth of how they were before '09 and they are the ones who have to live with it, I don't.

And I'm sorry but I do believe it was important to Michael.

The thing is that many true and loyal fans (myself included) found the fan community after '09 out of an inability to cope with their grief, sadly I couldn't travel to support him in '05 or spend nights on the streets, not without my children ending up in care, losing the family business and getting divorced  :laughing:  But I wrote to him in '92 and '05 and supported him in the ways that I was able to.  But please don't misunderstand, If I was in  :moony: shoes having spent years being active and organising then others turn up from nowhere and criticize and take over - I would feel they same way.

The only thing that bothers me about any tribute is that Michael is not here, he had been through so many dark days he truly deserved to see this.
 

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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2011, 11:33:10 AM »
 :huggle:  :lasttear:

Hearing about your children, see thats how its always been for for me. I learnt at a very young age to keep my love for Michael secret, so much so that many in school never knew I was a fan. Over the years in many jobs no one has known that I am a fan, I keep my tattoos hidden. So I do understand where you are coming from.

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The only thing that bothers me about any tribute is that Michael is not here, he had been through so many dark days he truly deserved to see this.

This hurts me so much too. Seeing him so happy at fan events like KILLER THRILLER for example, I just know who much all these tributes and especially the Cirque show would have ment to him.

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2011, 12:00:54 PM »
  :huggle:  :moony:

I feel guilty to admit this but after what my eldest went through I actually didn't encourage my other children to admit to their liking him.  :no:  Interesting thing is that with my 11yr old I have never had to have the conversation about the allegations and I was expecting it as she now feels comfortable enough to be very vocal about Michael, in fact she is petitioning her dance club for their next routine to be Ghosts. (only if she can be Michael of course)!

For a man who is so easy to love it sure is hard work being a fan  :smile:

It kills me that Michael is not here but I take some solace in the tributes, it brings Michael back to where he should always have been.  You've got to remember I'm 3 and a half years younger than Michael and have been a fan since I was a child so I remember first hand the years prior to the media turning on him so for me that fact that they have almost had to change their tune is retribution.

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Re: Share your thoughts about the MJ Cirque de Soleil shows
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2011, 12:24:05 PM »
aww dont feel guilty, you just want to protect your children, thats understandably and very normal.

See maybe thats the difference, cos you do remember the times before the media turned on Michael, that for you its come full circle. When I first became aware of Michael, during Thriller era, I was too young to understand what was going on. All I knew was that I love the music and the dancing. When I got a bit older and was finding out about the man, during BAD era, the wacky stories had already started. So all I have experienced have been the bad times. Maybe thats why its so hard for me to deal with all this, cos all I see is the hiprocrosy. The instantaneous switch in the 24 hours of June 24 and June 25 2009. The times when I would ring radio stations to request his music and they would refuse, the times when I would ask shops to stock merchandise and be refused and laughed at, the times when I was afraid to wear an MJ tshirt in public, the times when I asked in djs  nightclubs to play his music and was laughed at and refused, the times when fanclubs struggled to sell tickets for mj events.

Also I think that the huge influx of fans have only experienced the good time if you know what I mean. All they knew is the huge hype, the media turnaround, the music everywhere, the availbity of merchandise etc etc. Now thats it quietening down, the way it used to be before June 09, they think that Michael will be forgotten, which of course is rubbish.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2011, 01:29:04 PM »
Absolutely  :moony: you summed it up in one sentence.

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See maybe thats the difference, cos you do remember the times before the media turned on Michael, that for you its come full circle.

With Off the Wall, the phenomenon of Thriller and also Bad Michael achieved something that was so rare, a hugely sucessful career from being a child star, it was unheard of, and up until the late eighties Michael could hardly do no wrong.  But as with any sucessful person the media were looking for ways to bring them down.  As everybody here is aware the albums he released in the 90's and onwards were just as good and contemporary but their brilliance were squashed by the outpouring of distain.  He went from someone who could do no wrong to someone who could do nothing right, well not that was recognised anyway.

And we know what the 02 dates would have meant, he could have done 49 fantastic shows but if he had missed just one thats the one they would have focussed on.

So yes for me it's full circle with Michael's crown firmly back in place, and if it's makes sense I don't want Michael to have gone out like that, he just simply can't be only be remembered for being what they made him out to be.

Thank you for trying to understand my point of view, and I do understand where you guys are coming from.